11 Feb
2013
11 Feb
'13
6:27 p.m.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:31:56AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Steve Langasek dijo [Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 01:20:38PM
-0800]:
> Hi folks,
> In response to Moray's prompting on d-d-a,
I'm writing to confirm that we
> are interested in putting forth a bid to host DebConf14 in Portland, OR.
> The bid page is still a bit light on logistical
details, but we have a
> prospective lead on space associated with Portland State University which we
> believe would be a good fit for a DebConf.
> I know the bid process for this year is generally
behind schedule. Can the
> DebConf team please provide a deadline for completion of
> <https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/LocationCheckList> for Portland to be
> considered?
Hi, Steve and Portland team,
Sorry for answering this so late. This at least makes
the impression
that the bid process is not so much behind schedule (hey, this is
still early 2013!)
We will (most likely) be formally announcing Feb28 as
the deadline for
presenting the bids in a couple of hours at most. I see the Wiki page
is mostly filled-in, with some minor points still missing (but not
*everything* has to be detailed, I guess).
Well, comparing with the bid checklist I think it's still very rough - we
may have venue+accom pricing, but there are a lot of important details
(food, network room, 24h access, handicap accessibility) that aren't yet
filled in at all, and I think that several of these points could scuttle
this venue choice if they don't turn out in our favor; so I am planning to
follow through on getting more complete data in time for this extended
deadline. (Preferably by dividing and conquering among the local team. :)
Just for completeness, please update the main DC14
Wiki to show the
proposal is not anymore in the early stages:
Done.
Thanks,
--
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12 Feb
12 Feb
7:18 a.m.
New subject: [Debconf-team] DebConf 14 bid for Portland, OR, US
On 02/11/2013 07:27 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:31:56AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf
wrote:
OTOH you should not put much weight on this (and I think morray is
preparing a shorter list). From the bid to the DebConf the venue (and
most of DebConf things) could change, so I would interpret such question
in a generic way:
food: usual prices and availability of different food plans.
network: in generic way: just to know the possible problems (Martinique,
Le Camp and Portland have very different network problems:backbones on
the first, isolated location (one cable) to the second, and university
(existing network who cannot be really hacked??).
BTW I don't mean that you should ignore the problems, but be prepared to
change program and venue, so possibly exact plan are not yet usefull.
ciao
cate
Sorry for answering this so late. This at least
makes the impression
that the bid process is not so much behind schedule (hey, this is
still early 2013!)
We will (most likely) be formally announcing
Feb28 as the deadline for
presenting the bids in a couple of hours at most. I see the Wiki page
is mostly filled-in, with some minor points still missing (but not
*everything* has to be detailed, I guess).
Well, comparing with the bid checklist I think it's still very rough - we
may have venue+accom pricing, but there are a lot of important details
(food, network room, 24h access, handicap accessibility) that aren't yet
filled in at all, and I think that several of these points could scuttle
this venue choice if they don't turn out in our favor; so I am planning to
follow through on getting more complete data in time for this extended
deadline. (Preferably by dividing and conquering among the local team. :) 
7:59 p.m.
New subject: [Debconf-team] DebConf 14 bid for Portland, OR, US
Hi
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" <cate(a)debian.org> writes:
I agree that the current list has too much focus on details that are not
very relevant in some parts. Apply common sense here.
On the other hand I'm concerned that once again changing fundamental
parts of the bid after the decision is shown as a normal thing that
happens each year again. I agree that everything should be still
changeable even much later than the bid meeting, but it should not be
done without very good reasons to do so. Not just because it has been
done previously.
If people don't like parts of a bid they should not expect that these
things will change afterwards anyway, but voice their concerns before
the bid is accepted. In that sense a good presentation of the main parts
of the proposal (venue, accomodation, finances come to mind) is
important so that people can actually evaluate the proposal before a
decision is taken. I hope that we are able to learn from that past and
avoid a situation like we had for DC13.
Gaudenz
--
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter.
Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
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On 02/11/2013 07:27 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:31:56AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Well,
comparing with the bid checklist I think it's still very rough - we
may have venue+accom pricing, but there are a lot of important details
(food, network room, 24h access, handicap accessibility) that aren't yet
filled in at all, and I think that several of these points could scuttle
this venue choice if they don't turn out in our favor; so I am planning to
follow through on getting more complete data in time for this extended
deadline. (Preferably by dividing and conquering among the local team. :)
OTOH you should not put much weight on this (and I think morray is
preparing a shorter list). From the bid to the DebConf the venue (and
most of DebConf things) could change, so I would interpret such question
in a generic way:
food: usual prices and availability of different food plans.
network: in generic way: just to know the possible problems (Martinique,
Le Camp and Portland have very different network problems:backbones on
the first, isolated location (one cable) to the second, and university
(existing network who cannot be really hacked??).
BTW I don't mean that you should ignore the problems, but be prepared to
change program and venue, so possibly exact plan are not yet usefull. 
14 Feb
14 Feb
4:16 p.m.
New subject: [Debconf-team] DebConf 14 bid for Portland, OR, US
Hi,
On Dienstag, 12. Februar 2013, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
On the other hand I'm concerned that once again
changing fundamental
parts of the bid after the decision is shown as a normal thing that
happens each year again. I agree that everything should be still
changeable even much later than the bid meeting, but it should not be
done without very good reasons to do so. Not just because it has been
done previously.
If people don't like parts of a bid they should not expect that these
things will change afterwards anyway, but voice their concerns before
the bid is accepted.
so, then concern is voiced (and gets forgetten as the bid gets accepted) and
then the bid should be unchangable? thats silly. OTOH, it's totally normal to
change the plan as we go and change it _for good reasons_ and we do other
things according to plan, for _similar good reasons_.
and, a lot depends on money / costs and who pays them (eg venues at dc11 and
dc9 were not paid by us), and who can sign which contracts when...
of course, a debconf planned well in advance going that plan would be a
wonderful thing, but I dont think we will ever see it. which doesnt mean, we
should not plan, quite the contrary, we should plan better. but this includes
expecting changes.
cheers,
Holger
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